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06-30-2024, 01:17 PM
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Great Lakes Edition A5 with Rotax 916IS 160 HP Turbocharged
Hello Everyone,
Here are some photos of the Great Lakes Edition Icon A5 with a Rotax 916 IS 160 HP turbocharged engine.
Currently taking orders for people who want to upgrade their existing Icon or have a new Icon A5 upgraded.
We offer both the Rotax 915IS and the 916IS. I will be posting more photos and specifications in the next coming weeks.
Great Lakes Icon LLC located at Kirsh Municipal Airport in Sturgis, MI 49091 airport code KIRS.
Website: www.greatlakesicon.com. Facebook page is Great Lakes Icon.
Contact information is [email protected] Cell# 574-903-5662 anytime from 8am to 10pm Eastern time. -
06-30-2024, 02:06 PM #2
Fascinating…How is this certified? Experimental Exhibition?
edit. Just looked at the registration it’s experimental exhibition. No chance you get this ELSA and you can’t do this in SLSA.
With the additional weight you will be well over gross weight, the additional thrust you will no longer be spin resistant.
So all you that want to do this bear that in mind.
that said I’m the only one in the world that has flown an even higher performance A5 (an engine with 40 more HP than the 916) than this and it was amazing, but highly experimental. -
06-30-2024, 03:27 PM
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Hi Bret,
The Icon pictured is experimental exhibition so I can test constant speed props. For most of my customers we will roll the planes into ELSA so they do not have to do the letter to the FAA every year and they can still use a light sport repairman to do the condition inspections. No A&P needed. Once MOSAIC happens there is a good change we can run a constant speed prop under ELSA. As for over gross weight my plane was used in testing for the 1570 increase with the Icon test pilot. With the 5 blade prop and added thrust my plane stalled at gross weight 1570 pounds 5 knots slower than a stock Icon. In the coming month we will have the test pilot here again testing all of the parameters for the POH along with spin testing. Give me a call sometime. I would love to hear about the higher HP Icon.
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06-30-2024, 03:36 PM
#5
Hi Bret,
Yes, Great Lakes Icon is a certified sales and service center for Icon aircraft. I have one of the top certified carbon fiber specialist in the country working with me. We have a rotisserie and have completed minor and major carbon fiber repairs on a few Icons. We also offer X-ray and Ultrasonic testing along with full paint services.
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06-30-2024, 05:12 PM #6
This is very interesting and exciting Matt! When do you think you will publish Cruise Speeds, Climb Rate, Fuel Burn, Etc. ?
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06-30-2024, 05:42 PM
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06-30-2024, 06:13 PM #8
Thanks Matt! Are you concerned that the Carbon Fiber Center-aft section where the engine mounts is too weak for the new power profile?
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06-30-2024, 08:48 PM
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Hi Michel,
I have worked directly with Icon on this project. The engine mounts are good.[
QUOTE=Michel Gadbois;1569]Thanks Matt! Are you concerned that the Carbon Fiber Center-aft section where the engine mounts is too weak for the new power profile?[/QUOTE] -
07-03-2024, 08:29 AM #11
Matt - I'm a fairly new ICON owner. Does the ICON A5 GLE T give you better climb as well as a faster cruise speed than the 2023 icon with the 912iS 4 blade? Your GLE looks awesome!
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07-07-2024, 06:40 PM
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Hi Domingo,
Welcome to the Icon Family! To answer your question, there is a major improvement in climb performance, take off distance land and water.
The Icon has a lot of drag with its design. That being said the 915 and 916 editions cruise easily at 95 knots and depending on prop setting over 100 in smooth air. I invite you to reach out and come fly my demo. Anyone is welcome. Once the official flight testing is completed I will post the POH numbers for everyone to see.
Matt
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07-12-2024, 06:32 PM
#14
Hello Everyone,
Updated plans: I will have the Great Lakes 916 Edition on display all week at the Rotax, Motive Aero, Auto Gyro USA booth #945 next to the Ultralight runway. I will also have our Great Lakes edition enclosed Icon trailer at Oshkosh but not in the booth. Feel free to call me at 574-903-5662 to meet up.
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07-22-2024, 10:43 PM
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07-23-2024, 12:42 PM #19
Prices on his website
http://greatlakesicon.com/services/
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Yesterday, 09:17 PM #21
Matt, on your website it says that in the 916is conversion that it will be switched over to E-LSA. Does that mean the gross weight drops to 1430lb to meet the definition of an LSA? As you know the ICON A5 doesn’t meet the LSA requirements without an exemption that expires every 5 years and has very specific requirements.. can you provide details on how the airworthiness process works here? I’ve always wondered if the FAA would allow the appliance of the exemption to an E-LSA conversion.
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Today, 05:53 PM #23
Matt can detail more, but having researched this personally pretty deeply, there is a form/set of forms (they sent me a link) that the FSDO already has, to make that conversion. For a pretty new compliant (factory) plane, my local FSDO said I could just do that myself, but since we know they are understaffed, I am also aware that having a DER (at my cost of course) who would help expedite (not just review the app but actually do the physical inspection) would probably speed it up meaningfully. I believe, as with all experimental rules, arguably just about anything goes, so by becoming in essence your own manufacturer (of your version, serial number one of one) you declare those as you see fit. For this kind of conversion (I was looking at the 915 originally myself) it probably only needs a 5 hour fly off post conversion, and paper filing to get the new airworthiness cert.
I think Matt handles most or all of that for you if he does this conversion on your plane. I will note, having had an experimental plane before, the operating limitations the FSDO issues are negotiable and it's important to read and negotiate those right, hopefully Matt sets a strong baseline for them with his FSDO because changing that pattern with them will be hard later. For instance, with our turbine Lancair, I had to negotiate additional language on IFR flight (NA for an Icon), and especially with regards to populated areas. The default FSDO limitations they tried to give us effectively said we couldn't legally fly into any airport by a city, or over any city type populated area. I don't think there should be any operating limitations on this plane that aren't already on it pre-conversion, and hopefully one of them (the weight limit) would logically no longer require re-certification every five years.
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